In fact, Qin Tao really never thought about getting involved in the manufacturing of large aircraft. After all, for him, Mingzhou Group is already strong enough, and there is no need to develop other industries at all. It is enough to do the existing ones well. However, if you have this opportunity, you can't miss it.
People from the Antonov Design Bureau came to the door in person and asked for cooperation. Of course, we can cooperate. There is only one premise: produce it here!
Just like Tianjiao Airlines, Qin Tao will never do this if he invests in Ermao. After all, he doesn’t know who will be cheaper in the future. But if he comes to produce here, he can invest as much as he wants, even if Er Mao regretted that the factory was still on the land of the East and they could not make any waves.
The same is true for large aircraft. If Mingzhou Group provides money and Antonov Design Bureau does research and development, what will happen after it is completed? Maybe all kinds of troubles will start to happen!
Moreover, he is also confident that you don’t have a large aircraft manufacturing plant in the first place. You can’t build one at all. You have to find Da Mao to join forces. Three monks have no water to drink. This truth is too simple. Only in the east can we produce it. Address these concerns.
"We can set up a new joint venture." Qin Tao said: "We already have the successful experience of Tianjiao Airlines, and we can completely copy this model. How about calling it United Airlines? Producing large aircraft requires a lot of advanced equipment, and we need a The final assembly plant will cost a huge amount of money. Don't worry, our Mingzhou Group has the strength and will be able to build the plant. As for the machine model, we can consider it again."
If you want to develop it yourself, you will definitely build regional airliners first and then mainline airliners. It doesn’t need to be too big. However, if Antonov Design Bureau joins in, maybe the steps can be bigger.
Boguslaev immediately spoke: "I think we can just use the modified version of our D-18T first. The core of this engine cannot move, and the outer bypass can be expanded. The power can be increased to more than 250 kN. Two units The thrust is fifty tons, so a large passenger aircraft with a take-off weight of two hundred tons can be developed."
For them, of course they also hope to reduce investment. It is too difficult to develop a new engine and it will cost a lot of money. It would be much easier if the D-18T is used to improve it.
This kind of engine is also a three-axis engine, but the bypass ratio is a little small. As long as the outer bypass is enlarged, the thrust of this engine can be greatly increased. It is the most suitable choice, with small investment and quick results.
Balabuyev frowned and said nothing.
"Mr. Balabuev, this matter is of great importance. I guess you have to go back and discuss it." Qin Tao said: "When you have discussed it, come to me again in the east. In short, this is our request. We want to discuss it with you." If we cooperate, we can only build factories here in the east."
It didn’t matter what Balabuev said. He had to go back to the design bureau to discuss it, and he had to report to his superiors and go through a series of processes.
Balabuyev let out a long sigh: "How wonderful it would be if we were still in the era of the Red Empire!"
If it were still the past era, there would be no need to consider this at all. They would just be responsible for the design. Now, they have to take care of many things. Even though the Red Empire has disappeared for 15 years, they still cannot adapt.
Actually, this idea flashed through the minds of many people. The Red Empire collapsed! They cheered and celebrated such a great moment. However, less than a year after the good days, the hard days began, and they finally discovered how naive they were.
Now, this exclamation makes the atmosphere at the scene a little depressed.
"By the way, what happened to the batch of transport planes that Asan repaired at your place? Have you made any money from this batch of transport planes?" Qin Tao decided to talk about a lighter topic. In the past few years, he once gave the Antonov Design Bureau Come up with ideas and ask them to help Ah San repair and upgrade the An-32 transport aircraft.
“It’s okay.” Balabuev nodded, and then thought of something again, and his mind was excited.
He was embarrassed to say it, but Qin Tao said it: "Mr. Balabuev, you can also find Asan to cooperate. Asan also needs large passenger aircraft. You may be able to get funds from them. In this way This will save you a dilemma."
Balabuyev was very embarrassed and came to Mr. Qin to discuss cooperation. He could not immediately agree to Mr. Qin's request. Mr. Qin not only did not get angry, but also found a way for them and introduced them to Asan!
Mr. Qin is really interesting!
The two sides talked for another half an hour, and there was nothing more to say. Qin Tao left Tianjiao Airlines on the pretext of something else and headed back to the capital.
“Brother Tao, do we really want to get involved in the manufacturing of large aircraft?” Zhao Ling asked Qin Tao curiously.
"What do you think?"
"We have never prepared before. However, our group still has a lot of funds in its account, which can be used to do new big things. However, in our sky, there are only Boeing and Airbus aircraft, none of which we produce ourselves. big plane.”
“Yes, we are deficient in this aspect, but this is not the responsibility of our Mingzhou Group. So many projects in the country are lagging behind, so we, the Mingzhou Group, shouldn’t be responsible for them all, right?”
Zhao Ling nodded and said nothing more.
When the plane landed, Qin Tao planned to go directly back to Gongzhufen. Unexpectedly, there was a group of unfamiliar people waiting for him.
"Mr. Qin, you are back. I am Zhang ** from the large aircraft project demonstration team. You can just call me Lao Zhang." Mr. Zhang extended his hand enthusiastically: "I heard that Tianjiao Airlines plans to build large passenger aircraft. Engine, have you decided to enter the large passenger aircraft project? If so, we hope to integrate domestic forces and fight this battle well."
The man in front of me is over sixty years old, with white hair, but his eyes are still full of hope. Mingzhou Group is going to get involved in this project, and it will definitely be able to build the largest aircraft in the country!
Over the years, Dongfang has experienced countless pains in developing large aircraft. In the 1970s, China began to develop advanced Y-10 aircraft. In the 1980s, it began test flights. It has also flown LS many times. However, in order to cooperate with McDonnell Douglas on passenger aircraft , Yun Shi died young.
The McDonnell Douglas 80 airliner, which had been assembled for just a few years, had no future because McDonnell Douglas was merged with Boeing. In 1998, the AE100, jointly developed by domestic and foreign companies, was once again discontinued and only tuition fees were paid.
Over the past few decades, Dongfang has repeatedly failed in its large aircraft projects, failing to recover.
However, the Orientals refused to admit defeat. In 2003, Mr. Wang, who had a high reputation, once again wrote to his superiors and proposed to restart the research and development of domestic large passenger aircraft. The country attached great importance to it, but in view of repeated failures, it decided to conduct demonstration first. Mr. Zhang joined this demonstration group and insisted on building a large aircraft and listing it as a major national project. However, their persistence was not enough. Now, they saw hope!
"Mr. Qin, some people say that we in the East still want to build large aircraft? As long as Boeing exports gas, we will collapse! But with the participation of your Mingzhou Group, we will definitely not collapse!"
Qin Tao actually didn't care about the big aircraft project. After all, he was a shipbuilder. But when he heard these words, Qin Tao felt that his heart was deeply touched.
Mingzhou Group has developed into a world-class enterprise. They not only want to make money, but also have a sense of responsibility and mission!
The company has grown and grown, and you have money on hand. What’s next? Are you staring at the people's food basket? of course not! If you want to play, play with high technology!
An hour later, in a conference room.
“Now, let us welcome Mr. Qin with warm applause to give us a speech!” Mr. Zhang led Mr. Qin into the conference room and said loudly.
There was warm applause from below.
"Let me introduce the results of the argument first." Qin Tao said: "I am a shipbuilder, and I have a dark eye on aircraft building."
"Old Huang, please come and give a brief introduction to Mr. Qin." Mr. Zhang greeted.
Huang Hui, a gray-haired man sitting inside, nodded: "Okay, let me introduce it to Mr. Qin. After our project demonstration, we feel that the large aircraft project will play a major driving role in the development of the national economy and science and technology. Although we have We have an advanced aviation industry, but after all, there is no large passenger aircraft industry. This industry has a long industrial chain, a wide radiation area, and strong joint effects. It can become our pillar industry and play a leading role."
"For a long time, my country's aviation industry has been dominated by military fighters, with civilian aircraft accounting for a very small proportion. This is inappropriate. Countries with developed aviation industries have both military and civilians. Large civilian aircraft can realize the realization of my country's aviation industry. Structural adjustment plays an important role in promoting economic development. At the same time, building large aircraft is also conducive to enhancing national defense strength. Mr. Qin should know that it is better to use passenger aircraft to transform early warning aircraft, aerial tankers, and electronic warfare aircraft than to use transport aircraft. It is more convenient and practical to transform it.”
"In recent years, our country's economy has been developing rapidly and the country needs a large number of passenger aircraft. If we don't study it ourselves, then this market will be given to others, and we will have to spend our precious foreign exchange to purchase a huge number of passenger aircraft. .”
These reasons are all before our eyes. It is urgent to build a large aircraft!
Qin Tao nodded: "What Mr. Huang said is very good. It is indeed necessary to build a large aircraft. In fact, what I just wanted to know was not the necessity, but what kind of large aircraft to build."
Huang Hui smiled. Yes, since Mr. Qin is here, he must support the construction of large aircraft. There is no need for him to explain this. What he has to explain is what kind of large aircraft to build.
"Based on the level of our domestic aviation industry, we believe that we still need to start with regional airliners first. At present, we have established the ARJ21 regional airliner project. This is a short- and medium-range regional airliner with a maximum takeoff weight of 40 tons and a 100-seat capacity. Passenger aircraft, next, we need to develop a single-aisle mainline aircraft that is at the same level as the Airbus A320, with a maximum take-off weight of about 72 tons, a normal capacity of 150 passengers, and a maximum capacity of about 190 passengers. This type of aircraft is currently the largest in the world aviation market. Mainstream aircraft are also the most commonly used aircraft type in our domestic aviation market, accounting for about 70% of the total fleet."
What to study first? There is no need to build something big like the Antonov Design Bureau did. It is better to start with mainline passenger aircraft, establish a foothold first, and then continue to develop and grow.
"After this kind of aircraft is developed, we can launch a larger dual-aisle mainline passenger aircraft. The maximum take-off weight will exceed 200 tons and the maximum range will exceed 10,000 kilometers. This will benchmark the Boeing 767 and Airbus A330 and become the largest Advanced workhorse airliner.”
"In order to solve the problem of airworthiness certificate, although we develop our own passenger aircraft, we will use equipment produced by other countries in the world, such as Western engines and avionics, and provide them with benefits to obtain their approval. In this way, our aircraft You can fly to all parts of the world.”
In the field of passenger aircraft research and development, a very important thing is the airworthiness certificate. This is like the old man in later generations. Although it can be driven, it is not legal because there is no such certificate. The same is true in the field of passenger aircraft. The United States and Europe have their own Airworthiness certificates, so American passenger planes and European passenger planes can mutually certify each other. Once they are certified, it means they can fly in the United States and Europe, which means they can fly around the world.
What about the East?
If Dongfang wants to squeeze into this market, others will definitely find ways to squeeze it out. It is too difficult to obtain an airworthiness certificate. When we first cooperated with McDonnell Douglas, it was McDonnell Douglas that came forward. It took a long time to get the Dongfang-made airworthiness certificate. Project for McDonnell Douglas 80 passenger aircraft to obtain U.S. airworthiness certificate.
This thing, it sounds high-sounding, is for the safety of world aviation, but in fact it is just an obstacle created by the monopoly for latecomers. Look at the passenger aircraft that will fly in death dives in later generations, how did it get the airworthiness certificate? Boeing aircraft do not require any testing to obtain this certificate. Passenger aircraft produced by Dongfang? Don’t even think about it!
It is difficult to solve this problem. Giving them benefits is one way.
The route I want to take is almost the same as the route in history, except that when I get to Qin Tao, it seems that I can speed up again.
"Thank you, Mr. Huang, for the introduction." Qin Tao said: "Let me talk about the progress on my side. Lao Maozi's Antonov Design Bureau found me and wants to jointly develop a two-hundred-ton passenger aircraft."
As soon as this sentence came out, the whole audience was shocked.
Everyone knows that Mr. Qin’s Tianjiao Airlines plans to develop engines for large passenger aircraft. This is already inside information. After all, this kind of research and development requires meetings and the participation of many people. As for what was discussed during the meeting between Mr. Qin and Lao Maozi, only they knew about it, and others did not know.
Antonov Design Bureau is the king in the field of large aircraft. If they participate, everything will be different!
“Two hundred tons, it is directly equivalent to the Boeing 7E7 level.”
In the late 1990s, the Boeing 767 was at a disadvantage in the competition with the Airbus A330. Boeing decided to develop a new model. They launched a new "Sonic Cruiser" concept to make the aircraft faster, thereby compressing flight time and obtaining However, it is not that easy to reach Mach 0.98, and it will cost more fuel. Therefore, Boeing decided to abandon this project and work on 7E7. This is the first time that letters have been used to replace the middle data.
This letter has many explanations, such as Efficiency, Economics, Environmentally Friendly, etc. Therefore, this aircraft is also called the Dreamliner. After the development is completed, it will be called 787.
Now, if a passenger aircraft of this level can be developed, it will suddenly become a strong player in this field!
"As for the engine, we plan to improve the D-18T engine and use a larger outer duct to achieve sufficient economy. The core engine is already mature, so it can be developed in a shorter time and synchronized with the aircraft. In terms of avionics, we use our own electronic equipment, so the cost will be lower." Qin Tao said: "We plan to build a brand new aircraft factory to manufacture this large passenger aircraft. If the project can be started, it is estimated that it will take five to ten years. Research and development can be completed within a year.”
"Mr. Qin, you are indeed doing great things." Mr. Zhang sighed with emotion: "However, Mr. Qin, this kind of passenger aircraft is destined to fly overseas routes. Are you sure you can obtain the airworthiness certificate?"
"If we can't get airworthiness certificates from Europe and the United States, we will fly other routes." Qin Tao said: "So many countries in Asia, Africa, and the Middle East need direct routes. Our planes can fly there without stopping. There are also Lao Maozi can fly over there."
How to solve the problem of airworthiness certificate? History has proven that it is useless to give profits to the West. On the contrary, there are still a group of people in the West who naively think that they can use this method to choke the East. If you do not give in, we will cut off the supply of engines and avionics. Make it impossible for your plane to fly!
So, if Qin Tao wants to do something, he will not give up the profits. This will only make them think that they have found the weakness of the Mingzhou Group! If you want to do it, you have to solve the entire supply chain yourself.
It is important for Tianjiao Aviation to develop a new generation of fuel-efficient engines, but research and development takes time. Therefore, it is acceptable to improve the outer duct on the basis of the D-18T. If a new engine is available in the future, it will be replaced. If not, it will be used first. .
As for the avionics issue, the most advanced technology is of course in the East. How is it possible to purchase backward electronic equipment from the West?
Let’s put aside the issue of airworthiness certificate for now. We can’t fly to the United States and Europe, but we can still fly to other countries. I have to sell my face, and the countries in Africa and the Middle East also have to sell their face. Once these routes are opened, it will Hundreds of large passenger planes are needed.
When our own large passenger aircraft develop, we can use various reasons to reject Boeing and Airbus. If we want to fly to our airport, we will have to issue airworthiness certificates to our aircraft. This will solve the problem.
"Of course, our cooperation will not be smooth sailing. We still have to pay attention to the country. Since our country has a demonstration project for large aircraft, we can also add the Mingzhou Group project to the demonstration together to find the best solution. "